Online encyclopedia Wikipedia has finally admitted that it needs real academics editing entries.
It has asked academic experts why they are not submitting papers and editing on the site. However they do not appear to have wondered if their own culture is responsible.
The outfit has teams of editors whose main qualifications appear to be that they are mates and have power complexes. One editor was caught out faking his doctorate, and another made it his life's work to make Mike Magee and the Everywhere Girl disappear from history.
But Wackypedia's editorial antics are also having an effect on the number of academics who are offering to edit the online encyclopaedia. Not surprisingly few are signing up when a day of contributions to a physics page can be wiped by a fake penis expert with a chip on his shoulder.
One edit I did on Magee was deleted because another editor could not accept that a person who set up IT magazines could possibly be an expert on Tantra. Other entries were cut because I was not allowed to cite interviews I had done with the subjects.
In the old days of the Inquirer there was a regular story about a woman called the Everywhere Girl. The Everywhere Girl became an internet phenomenon when a stock picture of her appeared in a wide variety of sites. It ran for several years and created an Internet phrase "the Everywhere Girl". Someone put an entry up on Wikipedia to explain the term.
But it was spiked by readers of a rival magazine which called for the Everywhere Girl entry to be deleted. Their cause was championed by an editor who as far as we could tell had the same level of expertise as my cat. Her entry was deleted and there was a campaign to stick her in different parts of the site.
While this was going on I had a devil of a job editing a Canadian boxer called Nick Farrell's entry which claimed he wrote for the Inquirer. Other hacks have seen their entries deleted by people who do not think they are important enough to warrant the bandwidth.
Dario Taraborelli, a research analyst for the Wikimedia Foundation told the Guardian that while there might be pockets of academics running very advanced projects and lots of academics contributing outside their fields of expertise, not enough are contributing to scholarly articles within their fields.
However Taraborelli, who is one of three members of its research committee running a survey of experts to try to understand both why they do and don't contribute to Wikipedia, does not realise that the arrogant stupidity of the outfit's select clique of editors is driving them away.
Having written papers on different Wikipedia entries over the last ten years and seen them slashed to hell because some self important jerk does not think they are important enough, only to be replaced by some other turd's ill informed writing, why can't they see it?
Academics get ahead primarily by writing papers and winning grant proposals. They don't get any recognition for anything they do on Wikipedia. They do not even get any satisfaction if their contributions are slashed to hell by someone who is probably not qualified to be their student.
Suzie Sheehy, a researcher at the Rutherford Appleton Laboratory in Oxfordshire, said she has never contributed to Wikipedia because she worried about genuine, well-researched contributions being changed or overwritten by others.
Citizendium which was launched in 2006 by Wikipedia co-founder Larry Sanger after an acrimonious split with fellow co-founder Jimmy Wales requires contributors to use their real names and contains expert-approved articles. While it is more accurate it does not have status of Wikipedia.
It seems fairly obvious that while Wackpedia gives editorial power to a select group of chums, who have power complexes, and no need to prove their qualifications on a subject, real experts will stay away in droves.
First of all, Wikipedia is not a person, is not even human, and doesn't ask anything. The principal e-habitants of the sites owned and operated by the Wikimedia Foundation are properly described as "Wikimpediots". So the title should be:
"Wikimpediots ask why they have few academic contributions"
And the answer is that Wikimpediots have spent the last 10 years banning anyone who tells them the answer.
<p>The core community has grown insular, territorial, and antagonistic toward those outside the sphere of influence of the tribal leaders who run the various territorial cabals of the projects.</p>
<p>Instead of engaging in collaborative learning and collaborative editing (as one would naively expect from a 21st Century <a title="Peter Senge’s vision of a learning organization as a group of people who are continually enhancing their capabilities to create what they want to create has been deeply influential. This article discusses the five disciplines he sees as central to learning organizations and some issues and questions concerning the theory and practice of learning organizations." href="http://www.infed.org/thinkers/senge.htm">learning community</a>), the established editors have mastered the art of competitive editing, ofttimes gaming the complex and bewildering hodge-podge of <i>ad hoc</i> rules to gain an editorial advantage over less experienced rival editors. At times this departure from the norms of fairness and collegiality borders on dispiriting levels of <a title="Examples of departures from reasonable norms of fairness, collegiality, and congeniality." href="http://aggieblue.blogspot.com/search?q=Moulton">sociopathy</a>.</p>
<p>One of the most off-putting and offensive practices of Wikipedia is the cavalier application of such inflammatory tools as blocking and banning of scholars who have come in good faith to improve the accuracy and quality of the content of the English Wikipedia and its sister sites under the WMF umbrella.</p>
<p>As I have <a title="Moulton repeats the same observation on the Media Ethics blog at Utah State University." href="http://aggieblue.blogspot.com/search?q=Bill+of+Attainder">said before</a> (on more than one occasion), I defy anyone to find so much as an ounce of collegiality or congeniality in reprising such anachronistic <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Attainder" title="Bill of Attainder">Bills of Attainder</a>.</p>
<p>Thomas Jefferson was demonstrating collegial insight when he led the civilized world in eschewing and abandoning <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_Attainder" title="Bill of Attainder">Bill of Attainder</a>, having recognized that it's a corrosive and corrupt tool of government that inevitably sinks any regime that comes to rely on it.</p>
<p>Shortly after the Founders outlawed Bill of Attainder in Article I of the US Constitution, the British followed suit, similarly abandoning both Parliamentary Bill of Attainder and Monarchial Bill of Attainder.</p>
<p>I am disturbed and dismayed to witness so many misguided administrative officials reintroducing this antiquated relic from the rubbish heap of political history into the prevailing practices of Wikipedia. Is this the kind of unwise practice the Trustees of WMF wish to teach to impressionable youth of the 21st Century? Can you imagine what would happen to anyone who tried to adopt and employ that <a title="Moulton examines why Rule-Based Regulation (aka “The Hammurabic Method of Social Regulation”) is so dysfunctional and consumptive of time, energy, emotions, attention, and other scarce resources." href="http://www.musenet.org/utnebury/banshee.html">hoary and unsustainable practice</a> in the real world of an authentic 21st Century <a title="Peter Senge’s vision of a learning organization as a group of people who are continually enhancing their capabilities to create what they want to create has been deeply influential. This article discusses the five disciplines he sees as central to learning organizations and some issues and questions concerning the theory and practice of learning organizations." href="http://www.infed.org/thinkers/senge.htm">learning organization</a>?</p>
Dr. Strangelove
University of Ottawa
www.strangelove.com/blog
The Wikimedia Foundation purports to be a tax-exempt non-profit education charity. However, they only spend 41 cents of every revenue dollar on the program services that they are chartered to uphold. Academics are smart enough to do simple math and conclude that some fairly significant skimming is going on in San Francisco.
http://newscafe.ansci.usu.edu/~bkort/Ting.Chen.Blog.html
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In my opinion, the decline in participation by new editors — especially editors with relevant academic credentials and academic depth in their chosen field — is due to a pathological hostility toward outsiders.
The core community has grown insular, territorial, and antagonistic toward those outside the sphere of influence of the tribal leaders who run the various territorial cabals of the projects.
Instead of engaging in collaborative learning and collaborative editing (as one would naively expect from a 21st Century learning community), the established editors have mastered the art of competitive editing, ofttimes gaming the complex and bewildering hodge-podge of ad hoc rules to gain an editorial advantage over less experienced rival editors. At times this departure from the norms of fairness and collegiality borders on dispiriting levels of sociopathy.
One of the most off-putting and offensive practices of Wikipedia is the cavalier application of such inflammatory tools as blocking and banning of scholars who have come in good faith to improve the accuracy and quality of the content of the English Wikipedia and its sister sites under the WMF umbrella.
As I have said before (on more than one occasion), I defy anyone to find so much as an ounce of collegiality or congeniality in reprising such anachronistic Bills of Attainder.
Thomas Jefferson was demonstrating collegial insight when he led the civilized world in eschewing and abandoning Bill of Attainder, having recognized that it's a corrosive and corrupt tool of government that inevitably sinks any regime that comes to rely on it.
Shortly after the Founders outlawed Bill of Attainder in Article I of the US Constitution, the British followed suit, similarly abandoning both Parliamentary Bill of Attainder and Monarchial Bill of Attainder.
I am disturbed and dismayed to witness so many misguided administrative officials reintroducing this antiquated relic from the rubbish heap of political history into the prevailing practices of Wikipedia. Is this the kind of unwise practice the Trustees of WMF wish to teach to impressionable youth of the 21st Century? Can you imagine what would happen to anyone who tried to adopt and employ that hoary and unsustainable practice in the real world of an authentic 21st Century learning organization?
The ones who have time to contribute to Wikipedia can be divided into two categories:
(1) "The Wikipedia-type": There are those who understand that they will not be given a high status in the Wikipedia society just because they hold a Ph.D. They understand that people will not be shy of reverting their edits and are willing to participate in the community through consensus.
(2) "The Citizendium-type": There are these unworthy ones with a superiority complex, who get published by taking credit for all the work done by the student researchers under them. They want to be seated on a high pedestal and want people to recognize them as experts just because they have a Ph.D.
You insult Wikipedia by calling "Wackpedia" and its editors a "a select group of chums, who have power complexes, and no need to prove their qualifications on a subject". Actually, it's academics like you who want immediate respect and attention without actually being worthy of it.
This is exactly why Citizendium has been a massive failure. The so-called academics have not been able to create anything substantial even after years of so-called thought leadership. All of them are control freaks who want to be "editors" without having to actually add or maintain any content.
"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
The ones who have time to contribute to Wikipedia can be divided into two categories:
(1) "The Wikipedia-type": There are those who understand that they will not be given a high status in the Wikipedia society just because they hold a Ph.D. They understand that people will not be shy of reverting their edits and are willing to participate in the community through consensus.
(2) "The Citizendium-type": There are these unworthy ones with a superiority complex, who get published by taking credit for all the work done by the student researchers under them. They want to be seated on a high pedestal and want people to recognize them as experts just because they have a Ph.D.
You insult Wikipedia by calling "Wackpedia" and its editors a "a select group of chums, who have power complexes, and no need to prove their qualifications on a subject". Actually, it's academics like you who want immediate respect and attention without actually being worthy of it.
This is exactly why Citizendium has been a massive failure. The so-called academics have not been able to create anything substantial even after years of so-called thought leadership. All of them are control freaks who want to be "editors" without having to actually add or maintain any content.
"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."
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http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showforum=62
#2 - If you don't want to edit the article, then add some text and links to the discusion area. Someone might add them for you. You could even say "I don't know how to do this...could someone help me add this stuff".
#3 - If a person complains about wikipedia content, then I just point back at them for being the person that is too lazy to fix it.
What part of “Getting Banned For Trying To Help Them Fix It” did you not understand?
Maybe you are just too lazy to read what people are saying.
http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:March_2011_Update
Socrates was disruptive. The Senate voted to annihilate him.
Jesus was disruptive. The authorities decided to eliminate him. Three days later, so the story goes, he was back on the stage.
Becket was disruptive. King Henry cried, "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?"
Galileo was disruptive. Pope Urban was not amused.
The ground truth is often disruptive, and the messengers of the ground truth are often unappreciated, even when they deliver their news as gently as possible. (God help them if there so much as a hint of disdain in their voice.)
Not really a recipe for academics writing papers in their topic area of interest and posting them on wikipedia.
What were we talking about anyway?