Today, whilst noodling around on the interwibble, minding our own business, we stumbled across a rather interesting forum post entitled “An Open letter to ATI/AMD/Terry Makedon (CatalystMaker @ Twitter).” Well, ok, we didn’t exactly stumble upon it, more like it was brought to our attention by an admittedly partisan individual, but we found it interesting all the same.
The letter, written by a Mr. ShtSh00ttr, who claims to be “new to Overclock.net,” despite a join date of September 2009 and 462 posts, is a bit of a tirade against ATI’s Catalyst drivers, and a call to action demanding that certain issues be fixed…or else.
“After pondering it a bit .. I thought about us all joining forces and our collective strength in numbers and sending CatalystMaker a REASONABLE wishlist of fixes & features,” the post begins.
ShtSh00ttr reckons he/she belongs to “a large # of people that are buying their [AMD’s] top end products (GPU's, CPU's, Mobo's)” noting threateningly “and we have a collective bargaining chip that is compelling.”
The post author goes on to say that if readers could simply gather their thoughts “in a clear and concise manner that’s *REASONABLE* we can have a say in the shaping of these drivers and software.”
The poster goes on to provide a list of demanded fixes he claims would make him feel “more confident in continuing to plunk down a lot of hard earned money toward their [AMD] products in a time of economic downturn where these items are NOT necessities and we CHOSE to patron ATI.” [Sic]
ShtSh00ttr’s list of demands is as follows:
- Honest estimates and updates of driver releases.
- Eyefinity fixes for the inability of CCC to remember my fourth (virtual or real display) that is not a member of an Eyefinity Group.
- Honest accounting of when we can expect micro-stuttering to be resolved (example jane Nash in Vantage ).
- Final resolution to the ATI Overvolt tool not remembering settings after a reboot.
- OpenCL support packaged into the CCC package/release.
- Improved Crossefire & CrossfireX scaling. [Sic]
- Random grey-screens, vertical lines.
- Horrible Eyefinity support in 3 monitor mode (blinking/blanking/locking) let alone < 25 fps at 5040x1050
Now, far be it from us to believe everything we read on forums, but some of the above claims do indeed appear to have some merit.
Veteran card tester and techie extraordinaire, Derek Brush from Icrontic.com told TechEye that whilst no company could provide accurate schedule estimates for bug fixes – because, that’s the irritating nature of bugs – other items on the list did provide “valid concern.”
Point number two, for instance, on Eyefinity fixes is something Brush agrees to be true, noting that “if AMD is going to market Eyefinity as a deal breaker, the firm should make it work properly.”
Brush did not, however, agree with Shtsh00tr on point number three, the micro-stuttering issue, saying he had “no idea what he's talking about, the Jane Nash test runs fine on my cards.”
In terms of the ATI Overvolt tool not remembering settings after a reboot (4), Brush told Tech Eye he didn’t even bother using ATI overclocking tools, preferring MSI afterburner instead, but admitted the point sounded “like a reasonable concern.”
When it comes to OpenCL support (5), Brush noted “I'd like to see this implemented too - ATI is being slow in getting OpenCL officially supported.”
Another valid concern which, to its credit, AMD has already admitted to, was the point about random grey-screens and vertical lines. The problem really only arises at extremely high framerates in non-demanding software in crossfire mode, making it fairly minor, but nonetheless, it should be fixed.
When TechEye contacted AMD for its side of the story, ATI spinner Chris Hook noted:
““The comments submitted by this individual fall into two categories: a wish list of features, and bug reports. Most of the wish list items are already on our roadmap and will be rolled out over time. As for the bug reports, we are aware of a small number of users experiencing the "grey screen" issue and AMD has already publicly stated that we are preparing a driver workaround. The other reports are not known issues.”
He went on to say “, our customers acknowledge that AMD has the industry’s best, and most frequent driver update policy, with monthly Microsoft WHQL certified driver updates. The press reviews of ATI Eyefinity have been excellent and, along with our internal testing, don’t reflect the experience described in the article.”
Hook concluded, “As is the case with any graphics manufacturer, from time to time a small number of users will experience minor issues that are in most cases addressed in subsequent driver updates.”
Hopefully that will indeed be the case for the mysterious Shtsh00tr, who is apparently “tired of waiting around with no info on what is important to me after plunking down $1,500 on graphics alone.”
Just click through the thread a little, or google - site:http://www.overclock.net "New to Overclock.net"
In fact if you dig a little deeper - a search for "custom title" will provide that kind of information. They have a whole sub forum to discuss member milestones. Less than 10 minutes research...
-ShtSh00ttr
This lameo is being anything but reasonable. I certainly would not have any motiviation to help this guy out if it were me. More importantly his list of "issues" are not real issues - this guy is getting seeking attention or is sponsored by another company to sling mud.
Having been a supporter of both ATI &nVidia and also having owned 4870, 4870x2, 5970's, GTX285, 8800GT, 9800GT I have no motivation for "mud-slinging" or brand endorsement.
All new technology is with some issues and problems. However; broken features that are touted in every piece of marketing (Eyefinity) , grey screens, Catalyst manager crashes are hardly "minor" issues.
A rule is not made by one example; that would be an exception. The several hundred thousand results I posted of users experiencing similar issues would be more indicative of a generalized experience.
We enthusiasts spend tons of money on these "awesome and innovative" new products like the top of the line 5xxx series ATI graphics cards that we expect to work as advertized, and when we receive something that is so riddled with bugs and/or doesn't work as promised and advertized, it makes for a very disgruntled end user.
When putting out a product like this that carries this high of a price tag, but doesn't offer the performance it is advertised to, or any sense of stability it is a huge let down, and should not go unheard.
If we was only to receive 1/2 of what ATI offered in these great new cards, we should have only had to pay half of the asking price!
I have a 5870 myself and am also a person that was involved in the discussion on overclock.net that ShtSh00ttr brought to the enthusiasts community's attention, and have had a ton of issues myself.
The original thread ShtSh00ttr made is located here:
http://www.overclock.net/ati-drivers-overclocking-software/649119-open-letter-ati-amd-terry-makedon.html
Here is a thread that I made as well that has proven via poll and discussion that a ton of enthusiasts are having lots of issues with these cards:
http://www.overclock.net/ati/640317-official-ati-5xxx-series-issues-thread.html
If ATI needs some hard evidence that there are a lot of problems with these cards/drivers, see the above thread to view some of the issues that enthusiasts are having, and for gods sake address them with this next Catylist version that is supposed to be coming out.
Either his boss's son has one of these "issues" that WILL be fixed in an upcoming release or there are a LOT of actual paying customers that have these issues.
You do NOT spend engineer time, resources and money on fixing minor issues for a few people...that is not economically viable for a company so his comments make no sense.
more crappy spin....blaaahhh
I was going to, but I've been seeing info about microstutter everywhere... whether it's true or not I don't know.
Some people claim it's a myth, some say it's as sure as the air you breath
I wish ATI or Nvidia would look into it, so that I don't feel like multiple cards is a waste of money
ShtSh00ttr spent over $1400 on his 5970's and seems to only be running into problems. (I've seen many of his troubleshooting threads) and it seems he was interested in EyeFinity gaming, which as he said, is nearly unbareable because he gets 25 or less FPS.