Larry Ellison signals Apple's doom with topsy-turvy finger motion -

Friend of the late Apple CEO Steve Jobs, flamboyant Oracle chief exec Larry Ellison has suggested Apple's in trouble without its arch salesman. In a CBS interview, Ellison gives Apple without Jobs the thumbs down and finds room to say Google CEO Larry Page did "evil".

CBS' Charlie Rose asked Ellison what happens to Apple without Jobs steering the ship.

"We already know, we conducted the experiment and it's been done," Ellison responded. He points a finger in the air and says "we saw Apple with Steve Jobs", then points it down and says "we saw Apple without Steve Jobs".

Ellison raises his finger again, says "we saw Apple with Steve Jobs," lowers his finger and says, "we're going to see Apple without Steve Jobs".

In the same interview, Ellison also said the only guys he has trouble with "are the Google guys" - "Larry [Page] specifically".

"No one else runs that company," Ellison said. "When you write a program for the Android phone, you write it, you use the Oracle tool, Oracle Java tools for everything, and at the very end, you press a button" that says "convert this to Android format".

Google and Oracle had a long running patent spat with a jury ultimately declaring Google innocent of violating Java patents in Android.

He believes what Google did was "absolutely evil" and that he blames Larry Page "100 percent". "I don't see how he thinks you can just copy someone else's stuff," Ellison said, adding "it really bothers me".